Comments on: Prediction: Python to overtake Rails at startups http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/ Spurring innovation and entrepreneurship. Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:02:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Paul Stamatiou http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345586 Paul Stamatiou Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:28:34 +0000 http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345586 Prediction: Google will add more languages to AppEngine once the platform matures. AppEngine isn't, however, the answer for every startup. It's run in a sandbox, doesn't support all the good python libraries/modules and most of all you can't get root. Startup hacker-types loving getting root access. AppEngine seems to be great for the smaller teams with very limited resources. The more tech-savvy groups with specific needs will remain with a custom ec2/s3/sqs/simpledb solution. Besides, who do you contact when your AppEngine-hosted app goes down? It's not like they have a dedicated support team like the Amazon folks on their AWS forums. I once got a personal call from an Amazon support person when I posted a question about FPS on their forum. just my thoughts.. Prediction: Google will add more languages to AppEngine once the platform matures. AppEngine isn’t, however, the answer for every startup. It’s run in a sandbox, doesn’t support all the good python libraries/modules and most of all you can’t get root. Startup hacker-types loving getting root access. AppEngine seems to be great for the smaller teams with very limited resources. The more tech-savvy groups with specific needs will remain with a custom ec2/s3/sqs/simpledb solution. Besides, who do you contact when your AppEngine-hosted app goes down? It’s not like they have a dedicated support team like the Amazon folks on their AWS forums. I once got a personal call from an Amazon support person when I posted a question about FPS on their forum. just my thoughts..

]]> By: Alexander Muse http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345581 Alexander Muse Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:11:23 +0000 http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345581 Good stuff, thanks for all of the comments. :) Good stuff, thanks for all of the comments. :)

]]> By: Lincoln Murphy http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345580 Lincoln Murphy Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:31:12 +0000 http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345580 I generally read your posts as soon as they come across since I'm in Dallas. Unfortunately I got to this one a bit late, but it was nevertheless very interesting to read your post in my feed reader, come here to comment and see that one of our customers has beat me to it! My original message was simply going to be that you don't need to switch from Ruby to Python to take advantage of a "cloud" platform that abstracts the underlying infrastructure (like GAE vs. AWS). Our Morph Application Platform and Morph AppSpaces allow you to deploy your Ruby on Rails applications to a an elastic, cloud platform, using standard Ruby and Rails tools and your regular development environment and methods. Alain is correct that we give developers a free account to deploy your Ruby on Rails applications and, if they gain traction, to instantly move to production and scale from there. Frankly, there is enough chatter on the limitations of GAE that nothing else needs to be said. In my opinion, Google entering this space simply verifies that the market for Platform-as-a-Service is legitimate and that we are in the right place. For us, that right place also means a focus on Rails, since it is such a hot technology. I generally read your posts as soon as they come across since I’m in Dallas. Unfortunately I got to this one a bit late, but it was nevertheless very interesting to read your post in my feed reader, come here to comment and see that one of our customers has beat me to it!

My original message was simply going to be that you don’t need to switch from Ruby to Python to take advantage of a “cloud” platform that abstracts the underlying infrastructure (like GAE vs. AWS). Our Morph Application Platform and Morph AppSpaces allow you to deploy your Ruby on Rails applications to a an elastic, cloud platform, using standard Ruby and Rails tools and your regular development environment and methods.

Alain is correct that we give developers a free account to deploy your Ruby on Rails applications and, if they gain traction, to instantly move to production and scale from there.

Frankly, there is enough chatter on the limitations of GAE that nothing else needs to be said. In my opinion, Google entering this space simply verifies that the market for Platform-as-a-Service is legitimate and that we are in the right place. For us, that right place also means a focus on Rails, since it is such a hot technology.

]]> By: Hippy http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345570 Hippy Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:17:09 +0000 http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345570 A good deal of Google code is written in Python. It is reasonably performant for what it does and is well supported and implemented. If you're interested in how Google uses it internally (warning: a bit long and technical), this blog post has a good breakdown: http://panela.blog-city.com/python_at_google_greg_stein__sdforum.htm This move is in line with their support for the language, which is why they hired Guido, too. I agree that it'll be interesting to see if Python gets any extra buzz from this on the developer side. One other thing I have to note is that the Python strategy seems to provide many more well known options in web frameworks (some noted above) than Ruby (Rails). A good deal of Google code is written in Python. It is reasonably performant for what it does and is well supported and implemented. If you’re interested in how Google uses it internally (warning: a bit long and technical), this blog post has a good breakdown:

http://panela.blog-city.com/python_at_google_greg_stein__sdforum.htm

This move is in line with their support for the language, which is why they hired Guido, too. I agree that it’ll be interesting to see if Python gets any extra buzz from this on the developer side. One other thing I have to note is that the Python strategy seems to provide many more well known options in web frameworks (some noted above) than Ruby (Rails).

]]> By: friarminor http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345568 friarminor Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:59:48 +0000 http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345568 Rails aaginst Python that is, huh? But why do I get the feeling that Google's just flexing its muscle, or what? I highly doubt that today's 'it' sites convert to Python so I'm sure GAE would provide support for other languages. But then companies like <a href="http://morphexchange.com" rel="nofollow">Morph</a> already does this for Rails ... so no need to wait for Google to add Ruby/Rails support, and they have a free developer account so you can host your app until it gains traction. Best. alain Rails aaginst Python that is, huh?

But why do I get the feeling that Google’s just flexing its muscle, or what?

I highly doubt that today’s ‘it’ sites convert to Python so I’m sure GAE would provide support for other languages. But then companies like Morph
already does this for Rails … so no need to wait for Google to add
Ruby/Rails support, and they have a free developer account so you can
host your app until it gains traction.

Best.
alain

]]> By: Magnus http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345564 Magnus Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:58:28 +0000 http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345564 I don't know if I would launch a new idea on Google. Besides giving away all my user/customer information (Google requires this as part of signing up), I'd also get stuck with their proprietary stack with no trivial way to migrate out of it. I don’t know if I would launch a new idea on Google. Besides giving away all my user/customer information (Google requires this as part of signing up), I’d also get stuck with their proprietary stack with no trivial way to migrate out of it.

]]> By: Alexander Muse http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345560 Alexander Muse Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:16:48 +0000 http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345560 Stacey, I assume it has to do with the fact that Google hired Guido van Rossum, creator of the Python programming language back in 2005. Google's App Engine will work with other Python frameworks: EZT, Cheetah, ClearSilver, Quixote, Django and CherryPy. Stacey, I assume it has to do with the fact that Google hired Guido van Rossum, creator of the Python programming language back in 2005. Google’s App Engine will work with other Python frameworks: EZT, Cheetah, ClearSilver, Quixote, Django and CherryPy.

]]> By: stacey higginbotham http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345558 stacey higginbotham Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:57:16 +0000 http://www.texasstartupblog.com/2008/04/08/prediction-python-to-overtake-rails-at-startups/#comment-345558 They'll add other languages later, but I am curious how long it will take and why they went with Python. Any thoughts? They’ll add other languages later, but I am curious how long it will take and why they went with Python. Any thoughts?

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